Please- Let's end this lame Ayers/Obama connection tale once and for all.
In a TV ad, McCain says Obama "lied" about his association with William Ayers, a former bomb-setting, anti-war radical from the 1960s and '70s. We find McCain's claim to be groundless. New details have recently come to light, but nothing Obama said previously has been shown to be false.
In a Web ad and in repeated attacks from the stump, McCain describes the two as associates, and Palin claims they "pal around" together. But so far as is known, their relationship was never very close. An Obama spokesman says they last saw each other in a chance encounter on the street more than a year ago.
McCain says in an Internet ad that the two "ran a radical 'education' foundation" in Chicago. But the supposedly "radical" group was supported by a Republican governor and included on its board prominent local civic leaders, including one former Nixon administration official who has given $1,500 to McCain's campaign this year. Education Week says the group's work "reflected mainstream thinking" among school reformers. The group was the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, started by a $49 million grant from the Annenberg Foundation, which was established by the publisher Walter Annenberg, a prominent Republican whose widow, Leonore, is a contributor to the McCain campaign.
(FactCheck.org, is nonpartisan, and also receives funding from the Annenberg Foundation, but they are in no way connected to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which finished its work long before they came into being in late 2003.)
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IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT DOMESTIC TERRORIST CONNECTIONS... here is a test question:
WHO said "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government, and I won't be buried under their damn flag.”?
And who also said: "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions.”?
The man’s name is Joe Vogler. As found on WIKIpedia, and several other sources, Mr. Vogler arose as a political figure in 1973, where he began a petition calling for secession of Alaska from the United States. Alaska magazine reported that Vogler claimed to have gathered 25,000 signatures over a period of three weeks.
During the 1970s, Vogler founded the Alaskan Independence Party (AIP) and Alaskans For Independence. He also claimed to have organized the meeting which led to the formation of the Libertarian Party in Alaska.
The AIP and AFI, as Vogler explained, were intended to function as strictly separate entities — AIP primarily to explore whether the 1956 vote by Alaskans authorizing statehood was legal, and AFI primarily to actively pursue secession for Alaska from the United States.
The Alaskan Independence Party quotes Vogler as stating "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions.
Vogler disappeared under suspicious circumstances in May 1993, just weeks before he was scheduled to give a speech to the United Nations on Alaskan independence, sponsored by the government of Iran.
Convicted thief Manfried West confessed to having murdered Vogler the following year in what he described as a plastic explosives sale gone bad.
Manfred West later said his confession was a lie designed to get attention, and police believe West killed Vogler "in a simple robbery attempt". Vogler's remains were discovered in a gravel pit east of Fairbanks in October 1994 following an anonymous tip.
They had been wrapped in a blue tarp secured with duct tape and were identified through fingerprint analysis.
In a 1991 interview currently housed at the Oral History Program in the Rasmuson Library at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, Vogler is recorded as saying "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."
Vogler was buried in Dawson City, Yukon Territory, Canada, fulfulling his wish that he not be buried under the American flag. (Wow... Obama’s pastor, who served two tours as a U.S. Marine, just dammed America in frustration over the AIDS in the inner city noting that if America let it happen or caused it, THEN America deserved God’s Damnation…)
Why should we care? Alaska First Hunk, Todd was a member of this fine organization for more than 12 YEARS. Palin’s Husband, Todd, remained a registered member of it until 2002.
Joe Vogler should be considered among those home grown "terrorists who would target their own country?" The Obama connected Ayers wound up on a volunteer anti-poverty committee in Chicago that got contributions from Nixon Appointees!
But Vogler wound up founding a group that wanted Alaska to leave the Union. We fought a war about that once before!
Palin’s husband, Todd, was "palling around with terrorists who would target their own country.” That's a straight line connecting Palin, her husband, and this Alaskan secessionist.
Palin attended their convention in 1994, (there is video tape of her there) and just two years ago taped a video address for this upstanding bunch and their convention. She was under a banner with the campaign slogan "Country First”. Someone might just ask, "which Country?
Most would consider that RADICAL, and against the best interests of the United States.
Posted by: Greg | October 13, 2008 11:24 AM
Other than working side by side with him and announcing his cnadidacy in his living room, he had no relationship with this terrorist. By the way, this was ANOTHER failed "community" organization Obama caused to fail, like ACORN.
The results of an August 2003 final technical report of the Chicago Annenberg Research Project by the Consortium on Chicago School Research "suggest that among the schools it supported, the Challenge had little impact on school improvement and student outcomes, with no statistically significant differences between Annenberg and non-Annenberg schools in rates of achievement gain, classroom behavior, student self-efficacy, and social competence."[60]
Posted by: tbone | October 14, 2008 8:03 AM