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So Chuckles,
It's finally settling in, Memory Man is right on the money and you are so stuck in the 60,s it's pathetic. One question what cheese are you serving with this particular Vintage??

Hey I've got a great idea for a retreat and counsling center for tragicly aging HIPSTERS! Lets talk.....

Hubert Humphry was destroyed in 1968 by the anti-war protests. He was an incumbant of sorts, since he was LBJ's wartime VP.

We can only hope that the protests in New York will turn that fine line of voters away from our undistinguished war time president W.

By the way....Danny, if Chuck is stuck in the 60's it wouldn't be a stretch to say that you're still stuck up Reagans ass. (with all due respect, of course)

Steve,
Most people have already made up their minds about who they will vote for in November.
As for the 200 plus idiots who got arrested in New York last night protesting? I dont think thats going to turn anyone away from Bush, in fact I think the opposite, because they look like the cry-baby, loud mouth, whininng, me me me mine mine mine fools that the are!! see you in november :-)

Charle's:

I was just reading your statement, the part about being disenfranchised strikes me particularly. Your not being stripped of your right to vote. There are just not enough registered voters who think the way you do.
I felt exactly the way you feel when Clinton got re-elected. To your credit you are using a great new medium to get your message out, if more people acted and reacted the way you do, you might have a better chance in november

If Kerry wins, I stay and play. If the other guy wins, I go outside and play for four years. Some of us already have a huge, extended beach party planned. Everyone is free to join us. Since the beach party might get old, the other part of my plan is to hike the Grand Canyon and all of the beautiful state and national parks in the four corners area, ride horseback through the Roosevelt Grasslands, meditate at Mt. Rushmore, take part in the autumn bison round-up in SD and search for yeti in N.California. I will pay my way and do volunteer work everywhere I go but, unlike Charles, I will not pay taxes. To participate any further in the republican agenda is so far from my moral and ethical values, that it's impossible to conceive of any further compromise.

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Steve,
Better Reagan's Ass than Noam Chomsky or Joseph Stalin....:-)

On the matter of taxes:
warresisters.org/piechart (for the federal budget)
alexpenelas2004.com (for the cost of the war in Iraq in rolling dollars -scary)
ctj.org (Citizens for Tax Justice - for what corporations are/are not paying taxes)

If I could select where my tax dollars were spent or if all these major corporations paid their fair share, I wouldn't have any issues with taxes. Since I don't have a choice, I'll put my energy where I'd like to put my taxes.

Kerry's going to win, though, so I'll have to stay and play.

So, Charles, if the bad guys win, you're going to wave the white flag? You think the Bush administration will be magnanimous in victory and play nice? You think they will treat their political "prisoners" (just continuing the metaphor) with respect according to "convention"?

You know the answer to that. Greater resistance will be called for, not less.

elp:
would you like to make a friendly wager on the outcome of the election? I would be happy to place a wager with the loser making a donation to the winners favorite charity. Let me guess what yours is????? giving clean needles to junkies?? or paying for sex change operations so that male inmates at mci cedar junction can transfer to mci framingham so they dont get raped anymore? (which by the way a recent candidate for the ma state senate was proposing)
too bad he didnt win. I feel bad that my tax dollars are not going to such things. I am thinking of starting a charity instead of calling it save the children, I can call it save a convict.you will receive photos of your convict as well as letters thanking you for your donation, you will feel like you are making a difference in a convicts life.

memory man:
Not a gambler and you are already wrong on my favorite charity. As a matter of fact your first one hundred guesses (or more) would be wrong; maybe because it's just not part of your frame of reference. Thus, how about this? My guy wins, I make a donation to my favorite charity. Your guy wins, you make a donation to your favorite charity. Fair?

Kerry is going to win and I'll laugh all the way to the post office with that donation. Thanks for the memory!

Danny, Memory Man:

Seems to me all the barking and yelping is coming from Bush's attack dogs. There was a certain air of desperation hanging over the whole pack during "Cheiney's Night".
Here's why:

The deficit is growing at a record pace

The unmitigated disaster in Iraq continues without a hint of WMD to be found or a repectable way out in sight

The economy continues to reel from high fuel prices

More Americans are below the poverty line now than at any time in the last for years

More Americans are without healthcare than at any time in the last four years

You do the math ;-)

cisco:
everyone in this country has healthcare, I thought the war was all about oil, so gas prices should be lower cause we are occupying iraq just for the oil, right? that whole haliburton/cheney scam. 9/11 has nothing to do with our economy downturn right? the war in iraq is unrelated to terrorism, right there are no terrorists in iraq, right? there is no way there were wmds are in iraq even though bush sr., clinton, gore , butrous-butrous, kofi anan and countless other members of both administrations and the u.n. must have been lying. saren gas wasn't used on our troops and the middle east is so closely monitored that wmds could never be smuggled anyplace like syria or sudan, right impossible could never happen no way

Memory Man:

Last time we had this argument you disappeared from the blog when I asked you to got study the relevant U.N. resolution.
There was no UN mandate for a war. It was a unilateral act based on exagerated claims. There was no Al-Quaeda link and therefore no 9/11 link, no WMD or credible information about "transfers to Siria".
The war in Iraq was about oil and filling the coffers of Haliburton. It has worked out well for Haliburton except for all the overbilling scandals. The oil picture is not so bright. And to make matters worse the whole region is being destabilized by the war. Saudi Arabia is no longer a safe place even for oil workers. This is affecting oil prices and the economy.
Quite simply the Bush doctrine for the Middle East is...simple minded.

As for health care, read the news: 43 million Americans without health insurance.

Also: A record 9.3 million Americans below the poverty line.

you obviously don't read what you wrote above, you wrote,"more americans are without healthcare than any other time in the last four years" those 43 million have healthcare if they are sick or injured they go to the hospital and right above the desk at the emergency room there is a little sign that says you will not be denied treatmen based on your ability to pay, which is a federal law, by the way.

9.3 million divided into 225 million = about 4% of the population. I am sure all of those people are legal citizens, right?

unilattteral act? so no other countries were with us in iraq? ok for fun I will concede that point(just for this argument). If it is the acting unilatterelly part you have a problem with, what form of protest did you take the five different times Bill clinton acted unilatterally? I am sure you got so pissed at him you wrote letters to the white house complaining, right?

Saudi arabia was a safe place before the war? can anybody guess where the majority of the hijackers on 9/11 were from? sau## arab## fill in the blanks

and cisco I was asked on the blog you posted the un resolution on to give up the argument by our host, because in his words my mind wasn't changing. If the un is a world police force we should just retire all our city and municipal police men and call in the un. When someon gets killed or assualted we can schedule a meeting in new york, have breakfast then meet some more, then we can have lunch, then meet some more then we can break early for dinner, then we can do the same thing the next day and then we can pass a resolution telling the murdurer that we will apply sanctions if he does it again! I feel safer already.

memory man:
Time to reprogram your fact checker. Emergency room care is not regular health care, it is emergency care only and is not available for free at all hospitals. Do your research, especially about it being a Federal Law. Research and accurate facts aren't part of the repub/your agenda, though. It's a big part of the reason why Kerry will be the next President of the UNITED States of America. Eat your heart out.

do tell elp, what is in accurate?

Memory Man:

So let me get this straight... You idea of health care for all is to rush to the emergency room of the nearest hospital? That is sooooo... Republican ;-).
As for Clintons intervetions, I was all in favor of intervening in Yugoslavia to stop ethnic cleansing.
Regarding Saudi Arabia I am simply stating the obvious. Our military interventions in the Middle East and one sided approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are helping the fanatics in the Middle East recruit the young, unemployed and dis-enfranchised. Saudi Arabia's internal situation is becoming less and less stable. Read the news, there are attacks on foreign workers on a regular basis.

ciscokid:
Careful with all your logical arguments!
Memory Man has a sharp ahd incisive robot-like brain; implanted with transistor cells filled with thousands of gigabytes of "Mr. Spock logic" -and NOT ONE IOTA of flexibility or ability to absorb an opposing point of view. He has programmed himself- not to learn or to change, even if it is the correctly compassionate and logical way- but only to attack and annihilate other arguments which do not follow his "party lines." Not unlike the rest of his high-stepping machines, he will never hear, nor see, nor acknowledge, any parallax thinking- he would have to self-destruct if he did. We can only hope that his side gets overwhelmed by the rest of us 'tree-hugging commies', and we will just continue to try to stay on (what we feel is) the high road and the right road.
(Help- somebody- Stop those memory men before it's too late!) "Gort- Klatu Baratta Nikto!!!"

TEN 44 and the others like him -- the wealthy pay far more than their fair share -- the wealthiest 1 % pay 35 % of taxes -- the wealthiest 10% pay over 50 % -- that means that each person in the top 1% pays for 35 other people and each person in the top 10% pays the full burden of 5 other lazy people.

Corporate taxes are a myth -- get over it -- if corporations get taxed, it just gets passed on to you and me -- and everyone else in the form of higher prices.......and lower appreciation in your pension plan and 401 K. So, increasing corporate taxes doesn't do dick in the end -- it just adds another place for some corporations to play games and pay less than others -- in the end setting up these incentives is counter productive and self-defeating -- focus instead on making the current tax system fairer -- make the people not earning a lot pay their fair share -- they are getting a free ride !!!

cisco:
no that is not my idea of healthcare it is my rebuttal to those who say 43 million dont have it.
you left out your reasoning for the other four times clinton acted unillatterlly. Also by your statement you are inferring that genocide is ok in iraq but not ok in yugoslavia? and we conservatives are the heartless ones?

almond joy:
I was a liberlal for 31 of my 33 years on this planet, so to say I am impervious to opposing opinions is not true, I just am not able to see the logic of the liberal philosophy any more.
if someone could tell me why liberalism is, rather than telling me simply conservatives are bad I would listen whole blog chat is all war and no diplomacy

Memory Man:

The emergency room is not "health care"! Your rebutal is not valid.

The intervention in Yugoslavia was not unilateral.
What "Clinton interventions" are you referring to. There is a big difference between missile strikes on terrorist camps and full scale invasions based on exagerated/unsuported intelligence.

As of Iraq there was not genocide going on when the decision to invade was made. So that argument is pure bulshit. It occured when Bush Sr. incited the Shiites to rebel and then abandoned them.

cisco:
what is it then?

yes it was.

you look it up.

genocide in the past is ok as long as you promise not to do it again. genocide was also by sadaam against multiple groups. never mind your right the genocide was justified because of bush sr.

you are right about one thing, there are plenty of bullshit arguments around here.

Rob:
Those statistics look so nice but they do not reflect the full picture, as you probably know. Those top 1% control how much of the wealth? How much with that top 10%? Ah, and then there are all the tax breaks...you are correct, though, we do need a tax system overhaul. However, maybe not the one you have in mind.

Rob: Where did you get those statistics? I went looking and in the given time frame the closest I got was the Joint Committee on Taxation report of 4/11/00 "Distribution of Federal Income Tax Liability" for the year 2000. I did not find anything anywhere near what you stated. So please, gimme a clue.